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本帖最後由 蘇少儀 於 2013-11-11 06:35 編輯

哇!!!短時間找不到交集............................

http://animalrangeextension.mont ... ine/2-Det-quant.htm
Determining Quantity: Carcass Fat Free Lean
A.      Characteristics of Composition  
When comparing carcasses it would be ideal to determine the proportion of muscle by dissection and chemical analysis.  This is not practical in most contests.  Therefore, regression equations using the measurements discussed below are used to estimate carcass lean composition.  
B.      Measurements to be Taken:   
1.   Hot carcass weight:  
Hot carcass weight should be obtained immediately after dressing and prior to carcass chilling.  Equations for estimating carcass lean were developed using skin-on, head-off carcasses.  Section IIC provides carcass weight adjustments if other carcass processing techniques were used.   
2.   Fat Depth (including skin) over the loin at the 10th rib
Rib the carcass as explained in Section IV.  Divide the longest axis of the loin muscle cross-sectional surface into quarters.  Measure the fat depth to the nearest .05-inch at 3/4 the distance from the mid-line side to the belly side of the loin muscle.  Measure from the edge of the loin muscle to the outer edge of, and perpendicular to, the skin.  For best accuracy, rib and measure both sides and average the values.  In actuality, both sides are rarely measured  for county contests.
Make subjective adjustments to account for mechanical disfigurations and (or) unusual fat distributions.  If the skin has been removed, add 0.1 inch (or other factor) to adjust to a skin-on basis.  In Montana, most skinning is done using a knife rather than by pulling.  Therefore 0.15 is a more appropriate adjustment.
3.   Loin  Muscle Area   
Rib the untrimmed carcass perpendicular to the backbone between the 10th and 11th ribs as explained in Section IV .  Determine the area to the nearest .05-square inch by using a plastic grid directly on the cross-sectional surface or by tracing on acetate paper prior to measuring with the grid.  Swine grids have 20 dots per square inch. Rib and measure both sides and average the values for best accuracy.  However, this is rarely done for county contests.  [see Figure 1b.]
4.    Visual Carcass Muscling Score   
Assign the appropriate USDA carcass muscling score as illustrated below.  Make every effort to minimize the effects of fatness when assessing these muscling scores.
Score 1 = Thin Carcass is angular in shape.  The hams and shoulders are tapered and narrow in appearance and lack bulge and thickness. The muscle-to-bone ratio would be low.
Score 2 = Intermediate Carcass would be intermediate between Scores 2 and 3.  Most carcasses are within this range.
Score 3 = Thick Carcass is bulging in appearance.  The hams and shoulders are significantly thicker (as a result of more muscle, NOT fat) than the loin region.  They are convex in shape and the muscle-to-bone ratio would be high.
5.  Last rib Fat Thickness   
Last rib fat thickness is measured to the nearest .05 inch at the carcass mid-line opposite the last rib.  Measure perpendicular to and including the skin and the first (outer), second (middle), and third (inner; if present) layers of fat exposed on the split surface adjacent to the last rib.  Do not include the connective tissue layer next to the vertebra.   
Measurement from one side of the carcass is usually satisfactory, however, an average measurement taken on both sides will improve accuracy, particularly if the carcass is split off center.  
In many carcasses the last rib measurement is within 0.1 inch of the 10th rib measurement.  Recording both on skinned hogs may give a rough check for accuracy and is encouraged.     
C.    Carcass Adjustments for Differences in Dressing, Weighing, and Chilling Procedures.
It is important that the condition of the carcass at the time of evaluation be recorded.  This allows correction of measurements to standard conditions.  Computer software used in the Montana SOE Program will make the appropriate adjustment if measuring conditions are specified.     
1.  Scalding vs. skinning.
Scalding of pork carcasses  should always be the first choice when collecting  carcass data. Scalding pork carcasses results in more accurate data collection than skinning.  However, skinning is often the only option in small plants and is the most common procedure in Montana.  If pork carcasses are skinned, skins should be pulled (as opposed to skinning with a knife).  Every effort should be made to prevent any fat from pulling off with the skin, especially over the loin region of the carcass.  Special care should be taken with very lean carcasses because fat being pulled off with the skin is more likely on leaner carcasses.  If pork carcasses are skinned, 0.10 inch or other factor should be added to fat thickness measurements to account for skin thickness.  In Montana, most skinning is with a knife and 0.15 is a more appropriate adjustment. The person evaluating the carcass should also subjectively adjust fat thickness on individual carcasses as necessary to account for variations in fat removal.   
2.   Equations for predicting carcass composition were developed using head-off carcasses.  Therefore, head-off dressing procedures are preferred.   If the head has been left on, adjust weight as discussed below.   
3.  Hot carcass weight should be obtained to the nearest pound immediately after dressing and prior to carcass chilling.  The carcasses should be weighed without any of the offal (liver, heart, tongue, kidney, leaf fat).  Jowls and feet should be left on the carcass.
Hot carcass weights should be adjusted to a skin-on, head-off basis.  If pork carcasses are skinned, the hot carcass weights should be multiplied by 1.06 to adjust to skin-on weight.  If carcasses are head-on, the hot carcass weights should be multiplied by 0.94 to adjust to head-off weight.  If the carcasses are skinned and head-on, no adjustment is necessary because skin-off, head-on carcasses weigh approximately the same as skin-on, head-off carcasses.
If a cold weight is taken, multiply cold, skin-on, head-off weight by 1.015 to adjust to a hot basis (most carcasses shrink 1.5%).  Estimate and add any trim loss less than 5% of carcass weight.  If trim loss is greater than 5%, eliminate the carcass from the contest.
4.   There should be a minimum 24-hour chill time between slaughter and carcass evaluation to allow for accurate evaluation of pork muscle quality.  
5.   Validation of scale weights is important.  Check or test weights should be placed on the scale to verify accuracy at the start of the evaluation.  Scales should be tared for weight of hooks and trolleys.
It is recommended that average daily live gain and average daily lean muscle gain also be determined, as described in Section VI.  This requires initial live weight and date in addition to the final live weight and date.  This information helps evaluate live production efficiency and nutrient requirements.
D.  Prediction Equation for Pounds of Standardized Fat-free Lean for Ribbed Carcasses:

Pounds of acceptable lean calculated on a fat-free basis =.  
           +8.588  
           -21.896 x 10th-rib backfat depth (inches)  
           + 3.005 x 10th-rib loin eye area (sq. inches)  
           + 0.465 x hot carcass wt. (lbs.)   
Percentage of fat-free lean =
100 x (Lbs. of fat-free lean / Hot carcass wt.)




[Note: equations for utilizing ultrasound and other measurements are given in the full NPPC publication.  It is not accurate to directly compare (or rank) values obtained using different formulas.]
1NOTE: The evaluation procedures, Fat Free Lean Equations, photos and Quality Standards in this factsheet  were adapted with permission from “Pork Composition & Quality Assessment Procedures,” published in 2000 by National Pork Producers Council, Des Moines, Iowa.
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swineexpert 發表於 2013-11-11 20:35
條件不錯了, 你不答應的理由呢??

先說,我記錯了,沒+200
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swineexpert 發表於 2013-11-11 20:35
條件不錯了, 你不答應的理由呢??

1.我的公豬牌價比冷凍廠均價高
2.他1周要一台,我沒那麼多豬給他,我已經把我的豬分2個市場賣了,
3.沒信心
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-11-11 21:15:49 | 顯示全部樓層
s6621331 發表於 2013-11-11 20:21
他給我的條件是,全國冷凍廠當日均價,可以全公,我家附近的地磅重為準沒提到優良豬場的證照,還是沒答應
...

全國冷凍廠當日均價 .... 這樣就沒有利基了!!

我出屏東那家,也是這樣計價!!全公無所謂!!

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商業條件   比A   甲廠商好   比B   乙廠商好   
綜合條件來看    可能差異不大
真的差異很大    給你很爽的條件廠商可能久了會倒

商人有時嫌貨差   也不見得真如他說的那樣
以虱目魚打撈來說    一般照理   抓之前得先測試看魚有無臭土味
但當市場已經缺魚時     哪管你臭土味    直接就抓了!!!!!
不缺魚時    三家廠商測試臭土味   有的說有   有的說沒    到底誰說的是真的?
廠商爽就好


有公開拍賣市場賣賣不就好了
還得給人家挑三揀四的?????
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本帖最後由 蘇少儀 於 2013-11-11 18:10 編輯

看成績要先看背景資料,不可斷章取義
上市體重90公斤和115公斤的日增重會差很大

通常屠體拍賣的評級標準由主管機關制定
評價則由產業組織或各廠商依評級標準訂價

通常國內遇到這種事情,主管機關交給產業協會研議,產業協會召集代表開會,尋求共識,來開會的人事先沒有準備,議程中亦無參考資料,開會大家只為了自己看到的營頭小利,吵得鬧哄哄的,吵完散會.會而不議,議而不決,決而不行,行不不徹.
決議:產官學派員到先進國家參訪,回國奉為專家,主導制度制定方向............施行起來,稀哩嘩啦.由其中產生商機...........

如果說到詩,書,易,禮,樂,春秋,華文文學,儒道釋宗教著作,中醫藥.......當然是國內的月亮比較圓
但是談到產業鏈中各項科技,農產品評級及計價制度,那外國的月亮當然是比較圓而且圓很多
如果外國的月亮沒有比較圓,為何要進口種豬,外國種豬的育種方向如何訂定,一定是與肉豬評價的方式有密切的關係
外國的制度非常有參考價值--學習歐美長處--科學的評級及計價方法(當做參考資料)
再依國內情況修訂以服眾(容易達成共識)

任何一種新制度的建立,要在短時間達成共識,大家一定要先學一些新知及法規,再加入自己個別的學養經驗

子曰:學而不思則罔,思而不學則殆. 語出《論語·為政》
孔子說:只知學習,卻不去思考所學的道理,那還是等於一無所知;而單憑空想,卻不去實地學習,也是得不到正確的學問.
子不學 非所宜 幼不學 老何為
養不教,父之過,教不嚴,師之惰


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就怕半桶水,學一半,要不就遇阻力見風轉舵 沒記錯,日本產業交流團來參觀時,對我們的肉品拍賣制度也很有興趣 人,總是人在福中不知福 以前覺得蔣氏父子及萬年國會很爛,沒想到吧! 後面的更爛,更無賴  詳情 回復 發表於 2013-11-12 11:12
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蘇少儀 發表於 2013-11-12 07:21
看成績要先看背景資料,不可斷章取義
上市體重90公斤和115公斤的日增重會差很大


就怕半桶水,學一半,要不就遇阻力見風轉舵,學的三不像

沒記錯,日本產業交流團來參觀時,對我們的肉品拍賣制度也很有興趣

人,總是人在福中不知福

以前覺得蔣氏父子及萬年國會很爛,沒想到吧!
後面的更爛,更無賴
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本帖最後由 蘇少儀 於 2013-11-11 22:41 編輯
swineexpert 發表於 2013-11-11 18:35
蘇兄, 那份資料裏面的日增重是每週的資料.   看成績要先看背景資料,不可斷章取義
上市體重90公斤和115公 ...

同一頭豬
由離乳7公斤到90公斤體重的平均日增重
和離乳7公斤到115公斤體重的平均日增重
http://pmtw.atit.org.tw/Module/PageContent/600/520.aspx?pid=F8wsIEga5%2BI%3D
比成績要在同一個比較基礎來比
美國資訊有些是從25公斤或30公斤或..........到上市體重
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本帖最後由 蘇少儀 於 2013-11-11 23:09 編輯
s6621331 發表於 2013-11-11 21:12
就怕半桶水,學一半,要不就遇阻力見風轉舵,學的三不像

沒記錯,日本產業交流團來參觀時,對我們的肉品拍賣 ...


有興趣的興趣有................方面
評估貴國毛豬經過..................能不能外銷日本
評估貴國毛豬..................等因素如何訂採購價格
還是................
可不見得是系統優於...............

臺灣的毛豬拍賣制度確實有其優點
屠體拍賣如果中間過程去除人為因素的可能,就臺灣現有國情而言是優於活體拍賣
每一種系統均有其優點,只在於參與的絕大多數認為是好的,就是好的

我介紹的屠體拍賣制度尚未成形與實施並不完全和有的冷凍廠一樣
這樣說就可以很明了是誰學不全..............
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突然想到二個字~~有一陣子蠻有名的火車頭
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