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發表於 2008-11-28 10:54:16 | 顯示全部樓層 |閱讀模式
從維基百科摘錄有關規模經濟及經驗曲線對經營效益的影響
最適規模依企業主的能力及資源而定
但每位企業主該如何組合場內流程的最適規模,那些應該外包,以期達成長期成本最適化
獸醫師,畜產技師,及農經師..........各有專長,台灣的豬場都是中(>10,000-3,000)小(>3,000-1,000)規模,其中獸醫業務外包是一項投資效益很好的選項.當然產業獸醫師要加油囉!


規模經濟(Economies of scale)是指擴大生產規模引起經濟效益增加的現象。
規模經濟反映的是生產要素的集中程度同經濟效益之間的關係
規模經濟的優越性在於
能夠實現產品規格的統一和標準化;
通過大量購入原材料,而使單位購入成本下降
有利於管理人員和工程技術人員的專業化和精簡
有利於新產品開發;
具有較強的競爭力
充分利用規模經濟,對於提高企業乃至整個國民經濟的效益,具有重大意義。
但這並不僅僅意味著生產規模越大越好,因為規模經濟追求的是能獲取最佳經濟效益的生產規模。
隨著產量的增加,長期平均總成本下降的特性
規模經濟的原因
專業化,從亞當•斯密的著作開始,人們認識到分工可以提高效率。規模越大的企業,其分工也必然是更詳細的。
學習效應,隨著產量的增加,工人可以使熟練程度增加,提高效率
可以有效地承擔研發費用等。
運輸、採購原材料等方面存在的經濟性。
價格談判上的強勢地位。
經驗曲線效應
經驗曲線效應的內容比只研究勞動時間的學習曲線效應更廣泛。它是說一項任務越是經常執行,做它的代價越小(場主治病愈熟練表示豬隻健康成本愈高......)。任務可以是任何的產品或服務。數量每翻一番,代價值(包括行政管理、營銷、分配、製造)下降一個常量百分比。這個更廣泛的效應是六十年代末由布魯斯•亨得森在波士頓諮詢集團公司Boston Consulting Group (BCG)首次提出的. BCG在七十年代的研究觀察了不同行業的經驗曲線效應發現這個值在百分之十到二十五之間。
這些效應經常用圖形表示。曲線在橫軸上表示積累值,在縱軸上表示產出的代價。 產出每翻一番代價下降15%的曲線被稱作“85%經驗曲線”, 表示單位代價下降到最初水平的85%。


[ 本帖最後由 蘇少儀 於 2008-11-28 11:24 編輯 ]
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發表於 2008-11-28 12:50:22 | 顯示全部樓層
請教少儀兄:
站在國內獸醫師的角度上
在現場能夠提供什麼樣的實質服務呢?
如何收費呢?

我先說說我家的特約獸醫師他的工作
(1)一年收費3600元
(2)出豬開單
(3)就這樣而已

我所希望的服務項目
(1)疾病用藥諮詢
(2)營養配方設計
(3)病理解剖及藥敏建議


其實(1)(2)項都是可以免費得到廠商的服務,但就是因為免費,常常多了些"商業導向"的浪費
(3)是可以自行送至公家機關檢驗......但就是怕麻煩,就像大醫院與家庭醫師的那種感覺
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 樓主| 發表於 2008-12-1 18:23:14 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 貴哥 於 28/11/2008 12:50 發表
請教少儀兄:
站在國內獸醫師的角度上
在現場能夠提供什麼樣的實質服務呢?
如何收費呢?

我先說說我家的特約獸醫師他的工作
(1)一年收費3600元
(2)出豬開單
(3)就這樣而已

我所希望的服務項目
(1)疾病用藥 ...

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家醫科都是看啥的.....................
開玩笑的

替您開單也賣藥給您吧?那3,600...............................
青菜俗俗賣你20元一斤,不過菜頭最近比較貴,一斤60元

依場的需求做產品組合--評量標準:年上市頭數
經營這種事業,最常被人問的一個問題,你那麼利害,為什麼不自己養...........................

行銷學有一句至理名言:機會就在那些顧客滿意度尚有落差的現有產品中
依  貴兄說話的內容
您最希望的服務項目,透露著一些訊息......................................但就像您說的,靠那些謀生,可能很快就關門了....................
而且只要是產業獸醫師要做的,動物藥品業馬上會有免費的服務,天下有什麼是錢買不到的.但天下有啥是免費的.................
這種情形像不像政府一要辦共同運銷,就馬上有人拿稍稍高一些的價格來市場收購農產品........................為什麼
不用藥來診斷疾病,藥要賣到哪去啊............................飯後笑談
豬場的目標應該看在...................生產效率及效益....................................

[ 本帖最後由 蘇少儀 於 2008-12-2 09:05 編輯 ]
總帖子數排名︰3

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發表於 2008-12-1 22:41:15 | 顯示全部樓層
生產效率及效益

這不是有記錄的豬場就能自行分析嗎?
還是有更深一層的學問在呢?...................

有沒有比較實質的服務項目呢?
總帖子數排名︰80

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發表於 2008-12-1 23:56:45 | 顯示全部樓層
如果養豬戶不賺錢  依我看什麼都不用講  有賺錢還有的講:030
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 樓主| 發表於 2008-12-2 07:14:32 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 貴哥 於 1/12/2008 22:41 發表
生產效率及效益

這不是有記錄的豬場就能自行分析嗎?
還是有更深一層的學問在呢?...................

有沒有比較實質的服務項目呢?

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您場內目前母豬在養多少頭,上市多少頭肉豬呢........................
服務項目是依場而定,對您的場內情形不瞭解,不知從何說起..........................................
另外,您的場是設在哪裡,請當地獸醫就近服務吧....................家醫科嘛..........................

豬場賺不賺錢,那是看大環境及業主能力.不過產業獸醫師應該有能力協助豬場在賺錢時多賺,賠錢時少賠.......................否則如何創造價值,沒有價值的產品,賣給誰啊....................

[ 本帖最後由 蘇少儀 於 2008-12-2 09:10 編輯 ]
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發表於 2008-12-2 09:19:33 | 顯示全部樓層

回覆 4# 貴哥 的帖子

美國獸醫是以時間計費的 可以供你參考依下
從他進入豬場開始 就開始算錢
服務的項目很多
從疾病諮詢 判別
到豬場動線規劃 改善都有
從軟體 到硬體  都有獸醫師來幫忙
我上次問的價格  每小時是 200-300美金不等
按照case不同計費
總帖子數排名︰88

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發表於 2008-12-2 09:32:59 | 顯示全部樓層

回覆 2# 貴哥 的帖子

稍微提一下 我們跟廠商互動的方式
我們廠是有固定跟一間南部有名的公司合作
他們公司有獸醫科 有營養科的
都是專業人員  有一次來的還是博士  
還特地跟討論發酵豆粉的事情
由於那時養豬廠裡的所有發酵飼料
都是由我來做研發 製造 那時候也是得到了不少的建議 哈
由於那間公司專業人才不少  也賣不少藥材 可說是包山包海
因此 我們豬場都會與他們合作 共同改進整個場的效能
而事實證明 我們雙方的確都有得到好處  大家搭配的很好
我們豬場改善效能 他們公司也由於夠專業 讓我們願意掏錢跟他們買產品
好像扯太多

我想說的是
大家在買東西的時候  除了考慮硬體的成本  是否也要顧慮到軟體成本
廠商夠力 有實力 能夠給你好的建議  你也該買它的產品  這不是額外花費  這是互惠
如果你不想買產品 由獸醫提供諮詢  那也該付費 我只能說  知識無價
誰叫你不懂....  
台灣人對於智慧產權的尊重 還有待加強
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 樓主| 發表於 2008-12-2 21:01:52 | 顯示全部樓層
英國的例子,敬請    參考!

The Consultant or Specialist Veterinarian
(76) Traditionally veterinary services have consisted of attending sick animals and the diagnosis of disease and treatment. This fire brigade type of work has usually been carried out by the general practitioner dealing with other species as well, in a multi-species mixed practice. As pig units during the past ten to twenty years have become larger and their techniques of production more sophisticated, the level of knowledge and expertise required from the veterinarian has increased substantially. As a result more-specialised comprehensive veterinary services have developed. They differ in different countries in the way they have become organised but the basic requirements are similar. In the UK a second service has developed, that of the independent pig specialist, who spends the majority of his or her time working amongst pigs on his clients farm within the frame-work of the general practice to which he belongs. A third even more specialised role is that of the person who is totally dealing with pig health, management and production and who could be classified as a consultant. He or she not only attends herds within the practice but also is invited to advise on herds in other practices often at considerable distances away. There is a fourth role within the industry, that of the specialist veterinarian fully employed by large pig organisations or ancillary industries, but his job perspective can often (but not always) become more of an administrative and decision making one rather than "hands on" on the pig farm.
A somewhat similar development of veterinary services has developed in North America except that here a number of very large pig producing organisations have emerged each comprising of 100k to 200k sows and their progeny. These employ full-time veterinarians with highly specialised roles. Similar developments have occurred in some countries of South America and Australasia.
Nevertheless, the actual resources required in different countries have some comparisons even if the organisations are different. The three different types of service shown in Fig.3-10 (養豬產業獸醫師服務項目) are those most commonly found in the UK.


Veterinary services should be used to:-
Increase efficiency.
Further educate and help understanding.
Contribute to management.
Control disease.
Prevent disease.
The fundamental needs of the modern pig unit are to maximise production and efficiency and thus the return on the investment. The achievement of maximum profitability however must be carried out within the economic constraints and accepted practices of animal welfare. Part of the service must include a routine visit to the farm every two to three months, or in the case of the large farm a shorter period, so that studies of the inter relationships between management, the pig, the environment and organisms can be carried out, relative to the problems. The most successful farms are those which achieve high productivity and give attention to detail. They invariably have good team work, disease control and understand how to maximise biological efficiency. A major role of the veterinarian at his periodic visit must be to help in this understanding and awareness of the problems on the farm and identify the procedures to correct them. Fig.3-11 (產業獸醫師例行訪場程序) shows a format that could be used at the veterinary visit. It starts with a discussion and an examination of records followed by a clinical examination of the herd or vice versa. At each visit a special topic for discussion and education should be pre-planned, that relates to a problem area on the farm. During the clinical examination of the herd the personnel responsible for each area of the farm should accompany the veterinarian to give their observations and discuss weaknesses and strengths. This also provides an opportunity for education and motivation.
A written report of the observations and advice should be provided so that it can be used and acted upon pending the next visit. It is also a reminder of the discussions that took place and it can highlight agreed recommendations not acted upon.
The veterinarian can influence the relationships between people, management and pig and this communication and the dissemination of knowledge associated with it, can be one of the main attractions for the purchase of veterinary services, particularly when the results are increased profitability.
Fig.3-12 (產業獸醫師與豬場經理人互動模式) shows some of these inter relationships that occur, starting with the bank, the spouse or partner, the owner, the pig and finally profit. Within each group of people there must be constant interactions and dialogues with the ultimate aim of improving profitability.
Fig.3-13 (產業獸醫師可能扮演的角色) outlines detailed interactions by the specialist or consultant on the farm and some guidelines. The frequency and time necessary for the veterinary visits relative to herd sizes, is shown in Fig.3-14 (專業獸醫對不同規模豬場的拜訪頻率及每次拜訪的停留時間). It should be noted that a new emerging role involves participation in quality assurance schemes and auditing the farm against required standards.

(http://www.thepigsite.com/pighealth/article/51/the-consultant-or-specialist-veterinarian)

[ 本帖最後由 蘇少儀 於 2008-12-2 21:28 編輯 ]
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回覆 8# Bananafish 的帖子

坊間好像還蠻多類似性質的公司獸醫,醫藥,營養.....包山包海
大型飼料廠也是這種模式但大部分的性質是.............替公司擦屁股

不過聽你這麼說.......這種包山包海模式應該在台灣的接受度會比較高
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